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Post by FMZ on Apr 5, 2004 16:39:47 GMT -5
I am planning to get 3 clown loaches for my tank. Can they peacefully co-exist with BGKs? Right now my tank is cycling so I wont get them anytime soon. One more thing, I have heard they're very prone to ICK and if its true, I'll skip the whole process of getting them.
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Post by Robofish on Apr 5, 2004 18:48:02 GMT -5
Clowns have always been fine for me. They aren't more prone to spread ich to your tank but as with all bottom feeders, they swim close to the bottom of the tank and so automatically get it fast if it is there... But clowns have never irritated my BGKs in the past and are almost in my opinion a great choice because they get about the same size .
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Post by bryce2003 on Apr 5, 2004 19:01:26 GMT -5
I agree thay they are a great addition to a tank with BGK's. They are prone to ich from what I have been told but this is due to temp. fluctuations, more prevalent when taking them home from the lfs. I would not however be put off from buying them as I have only had 1 die through ich, however this was a pretty bad case and I lost a few other fish as well. However I still have 5 that survived. I have also been told that if they do live through an outbreak of ich which in most cases will happen if treated early, they can or do become immune to it. I'm not sure if it's true but it's what I have been told. Therefor if I was in your shoes I would grab a few as they are also a good contrast in fish and when comfortable in their surrounds are an active fish. Hope this helps. Cheers, Bryce.
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Post by Robofish on Apr 5, 2004 19:08:11 GMT -5
ich isnt a disease truley, its a parasite, so it is impossible to become immune to it. Also They are very hardy if kept with peaceful fish and thrive in schools of 6 or more.
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Post by bryce2003 on Apr 5, 2004 19:21:22 GMT -5
Thanks for thei info mate. I wasn't too sure if there was any truth behind the rumor, that's why I always have medication for it. Thanks again. Cheers, Bryce.
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Post by FMZ on Apr 5, 2004 21:17:25 GMT -5
Next time I goto a LFS, I'll grab 3 or so clown loaches. ;D Thanks for all the info FMZ
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Post by Perky on Apr 6, 2004 3:24:12 GMT -5
I would get 5 at least and put them in near the beginning as they need a territory to defend as they are quite peaceful and then ad the BGK after about 2 months (of cycling). Clown Loaches are very active and are like Corys in their behaviour but look better to me. Go for it and get ich medicine so if it does happen, you are safe and make sure the medicine is safe for Clown Loaches and BGK etc. I reccommend Interpet: Anti White Spot Plus
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Post by FMZ on Apr 7, 2004 20:26:06 GMT -5
OK guys I bought 3 clown loaches today Couldn't resist them, anyways they're all in the cave hiding. I put in some food few minutes ago, pellet (sinking) and flakes and they didn't seem to come out of the cave. But they ate the flakes, they touched the pellet but didn't eat it. Looked like they only smelled it. I have 2 YoYo loaches so it makes it 5 loaches. Perky, where would I find the Anti White Spot Plus ? Thanks, FMZ
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Post by bryce2003 on Apr 7, 2004 23:00:53 GMT -5
FMZ, The best place would be the lfs. I don't know if yours are like ours in the fact that if you are after something specific they will try to get it in for you. The best thing to do is ask, even ring wholesalers if thats the case and ask them if they supply it to anybody. Beware when treating the tank with white spot medications. Most medications will affect scaleless fish like loaches and BGK's therefore only being able to half dose the tank. Cheers, Bryce.
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Post by Perky on Apr 8, 2004 1:42:18 GMT -5
Bryce, I have used this med with Clown Loaches who had white spot full dosage and it came out fine, the Clown Loaches are now enjoying the 55g. You can get it from most LFS. I got mine from a Maidenhead Aquatics shop
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Post by FMZ on Apr 8, 2004 4:28:43 GMT -5
i dont think we have them in US. Any other alternatives beside the medicine stated above?
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Post by bryce2003 on Apr 8, 2004 8:40:46 GMT -5
FMZ, I haven't heard of that treatment either. I just use a generic white spot cure which worked fine in the 1 case that I have had to use it. Best option again would be to speak to someone at your lfs and ask for some advice in regards to the best treatment as I'd reckon that each country has it's own "best medication there is". Hope this helps. Cheers, Bryce.
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Post by FMZ on Apr 8, 2004 13:41:15 GMT -5
Ok thru my research I have found CopperSafe by Mardel works like a charm on cories, loaches, and scaleless fish. I am going to buy that just in case something goes wrong.
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Post by bryce2003 on Apr 8, 2004 19:53:02 GMT -5
FMZ, You wouldn't know who makes it by any chance would you as I'll have a look in a few of the lfs. I also know that while clown loaches are a hardy fish, they are a little bit more so than other scaleless fish. In this regards I can only half dose my tank as I have to also take into consideration the other fish that I have. As I have a lot of other scaleless fish or others that are temperamental when it comes to medications etc. Cheers, Bryce.
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Post by FMZ on Apr 8, 2004 22:36:13 GMT -5
CopperSafe is made by Mardel Labs Here's the link www.mardel-labs.com/mardel/It might effect any live plants you have. I would recommend taking them out. That's the only drawback of the medicine HIGHLY RECOMMENDEDUsing any other ich medicine is not recommended especially if it contains Malachite green chloride and Formaldehyde like ContraSpot (Tetra Medica), Quick Cure, Rid Ich, Super Ich Cure etc. Its a pure poison for scaleless fish. HIGHLY NOT RECOMMENDED NOTE: Malachite Green is known to cause cancer, mutations, and harm to fetuses. It should never be used where a pregnant woman is presentLast resort is Methylene Blue. I dont know if you remmember it or not, but back in the days ;D that was the only ich medicine. It would stain your aquarium really bad. HIGHLY NOT RECOMMENDEDThe last solution is salt and heat. I wouldn't do it since scaleless fish such as BGK, loaches, and cories are salt intolerant. Anyways, hope this helps and answer your question
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