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Post by FMZ on Apr 8, 2004 22:39:16 GMT -5
One more medicine that seems to use Copper based solution to ich is Aquarisol by Aquarium products
I dont know where you live but I have seen CopperSafe by Mardel here locally in US. I have seen the Aquari-Sol
by Aquarium products online.
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Post by bryce2003 on Apr 9, 2004 4:33:44 GMT -5
FMZ,
Sorry I didn't read your post properly. It's quite funny actually as I have now got a second dose of white spot running through my tank in 3 weeks. The stuff I use actually states the dosage rate for scaleless fish and it has worked in the only other case of it that I have had. I occasionally put salt in the tank but at only half the dosage recommended. I also raised the tank temp. to 29 degrees celcius the last time I had white spot go through and have since done it again with this new outbreak. I figure at least one of these courses of action worked last time with no losses of fish so it should work again.
Cheers,
Bryce.
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Post by FMZ on Apr 9, 2004 22:05:48 GMT -5
What kind of fish do you currently have bryce?
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Post by bryce2003 on Apr 10, 2004 18:42:37 GMT -5
FMZ,
In my 8ftx2ftx2.5ft I have the following fish
6 Silver Dollars
4 Clown Loaches
4 Rainbow Cichlids
4 Fire Mouths
3 Bristle Nose Catfish
2 Bolivian Butterflies
2 Asian Bumble Bee Catfish
2 Elephant Noses
2 Black Widow's
2 Red Tailed Black Sharks
1 Sailfin Pleco
1 Gold Spot Pleco- Thanks Phil
1 Scalare Angel
and last but not least 2 BGK's
I'm also looking at adding the following
4 Blue Acara
4 Red Forst Jewels
4 Keyhole Cichlids
2 Gold Severum
2 Green Severum
4 Parrot Cichlid
2 Blue Rams
2 Gold Rams
2 Hoplo Catfish
2 Cuckoo Catfish
Cheers,
Bryce.
2 Gold Rams
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Post by FMZ on Apr 11, 2004 13:03:14 GMT -5
about keeping 2 BGKs, do they fight with each other? How big are they ?
I think you posted a picture of them on some other forum, but can't remmember.
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Post by FMZ on Apr 11, 2004 13:06:00 GMT -5
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Post by Knifey on Apr 11, 2004 13:52:25 GMT -5
Bryce, I would leave out the jewels and severums and maybe just get a pair of acaras.
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Post by bryce2003 on Apr 11, 2004 18:52:07 GMT -5
Fella's no I haven't posted photo's of my tank or the fish in it as of yet. Sorry still trying to get some good photo's of it. Also waiting until I fully stock the tank. The severum's and the jewels will be the last additions to the tank and will be quite small in comparison to the others. I know they get quite large and can be a bit aggressive however these are the least aggressive but brighter coloured fish to complement the tank that I was willing to go for. We've had gourami's etc. but had little success in keeping them, they also fit in with the others due to feeding habits and willingness to to be observed at all times. As they get larger I'll be removing a couple of each therefor keeping overcrowding in check with growth rates. I've kept other aggressive fish along these lines before and have added them to previous tanks without any drama's as they and they other less boisterous/ aggressive fish seem to gel a lot better in this way. However I am always observant of the new additions like these in order to gauge their behaviour to see if problems develop and act accordingly if there is any drama's. Will post photo's soon for all to see.
Cheers,
Bryce.
P.S. Sorry almost forgot about sizes. The smaller BGK is only about 10-12cm and the other is about 25cm. There is no antagonism or fighting, they seem to get alond quite well. Even to the point of sharing the same spot behind one of the stumps that I have in the tank.
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Post by Knifey on Apr 11, 2004 20:24:37 GMT -5
By red forst jewel do you mean this fish? www.aquahobby.com/gallery/gjewel.htmlIf so you really are asking for trouble as they will shred any other cichlid(and none of the fish you have will be able to withstand thier aggression). |
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Post by bryce2003 on Apr 12, 2004 4:04:51 GMT -5
Knifey,
Yeah they are the ones that I meant. As I said I will be getting them last due to the occurrence of aggression. I'll be getting them off a mate, hopefully. He has 6 in a tank with similar tankmates as my own and has had no drama's with them and it is off his recommendation that I am going. I also fully investigate all fish and their tendencies before adding them to my tanks, as I have done with this fish and through checking them out from various sources it appears that they are a good addition to a tank if placed in at the end of the stocking process. However as I stated earlier I do and will continue to observe all fish placed in my tank for any sort of incompatibility amongst the group and act accordingly. It will from my mate that I will be getting them therefore I'm hoping the trait of being calm and tolerant will be passed onto the ones that I get off him. Only time will tell as it will be a few months before the other fish will be settled in the tank and then get the juvie Jewels.
Cheers,
Bryce.
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Post by CasaPescado on Apr 17, 2004 12:58:12 GMT -5
My clowns pestered my knife to the point of stressing his color. Even the tetras harrassed him, bite sized ones at that. He was moving from decoration to decoration looking for a peaceful home. However, just as I was finding new digs for them, my knife got stuck in a decoration for nearly 4 days. After his dramatic rescue, he was hungry and crabby and finally put a"foot" down over where he was living and who got to hang at his doorstep. He moved back to his original ..made safe with a saw after his rescue....decoration. the tetras leave him alone now because my betta lives in a plant above his cave and chases them off.
But ya know what? the persistent devils finally got their way and made him become one with his inner loach.. They sleep in his cave now. It has been 4 weeks. Every morning there they are, one loach pile with a knife on top. The top two peeking out the door. I think the loaches like his electric discharges or something. Since his color returned to glow in the dark white on ebony, I am letting it be.
Anytime his color yellows I start working on the tank and his guests. I love that white and don't want it to fade.
BTW sizes: the clowns...
Maria(alpha)-15cm
Tony-18cm
Bernardo-12cm
And my knife: Capt'n " Dutch" Van Dekken(the flying dutchman) at 20 cm currently (he was a wee 9 cm when I got him this year)
With all the drama they have been good tank mates for him after all. They are greedy at chow time so a knife needs some extra to be sure he get a share.
Also copper has more cases of being bad for loaches than good. Check out the loaches online site for the 411. I Qt for 4 weeks so I have no probs with my big tanks. My knife is the biggest reason I do that. It is easier to prevent something on scaleless fish than fix it.
And I have 4 QT tanks anyway.
edit : weird placed smiley
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Post by FMZ on Apr 17, 2004 13:08:58 GMT -5
What is up with the color of ghost, the white and yellow stripe?
I have never seen yellow one except in the LFS shop
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Post by CasaPescado on Apr 18, 2004 1:55:57 GMT -5
Don't know..
My assumption however, is that it indicates stress of some sort. He is at his glossiest black and plumpest look when his stripes are phosphorescent glowing white (as in you can actually see him dimly with the lights out.
The only time my guy gets a beige or pink look to his face blaze there is ALWAYS a stress factor present (nitrate spike, ph change in my tap, the heater that failed..a power out that dropped the tank to 60F, an openly hostile tankmate ...a long gone catfish and a long traded group of Buenos Aires tetras).
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Post by Knifey on Apr 18, 2004 14:26:13 GMT -5
Knifey, Yeah they are the ones that I meant. As I said I will be getting them last due to the occurrence of aggression. I'll be getting them off a mate, hopefully. He has 6 in a tank with similar tankmates as my own and has had no drama's with them and it is off his recommendation that I am going. I also fully investigate all fish and their tendencies before adding them to my tanks, as I have done with this fish and through checking them out from various sources it appears that they are a good addition to a tank if placed in at the end of the stocking process. However as I stated earlier I do and will continue to observe all fish placed in my tank for any sort of incompatibility amongst the group and act accordingly. It will from my mate that I will be getting them therefore I'm hoping the trait of being calm and tolerant will be passed onto the ones that I get off him. Only time will tell as it will be a few months before the other fish will be settled in the tank and then get the juvie Jewels. Cheers, Bryce. Sup to you man but they are one of the nastiest little cichlids I have ever owned.I couldnt imagine what one would do to a keyhole(one of the most timid cichlids I have ever owned).I dont know about your sources but everyone I have spoken to about them says they are nasty(the one I had used to stand up to a jaguar cichlid almost twice its size).The only reason I could see for them being docile would be the size of tank you have. |
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Post by Knifey on Apr 18, 2004 14:28:32 GMT -5
From cichlids.com
Author: Bobby Henry, text taken from the cichlid forum.
The more I get familiar with this fish, the more amazed I am. I got my first one because of the dazzling color of this fish. Not knowing any better, I put this fish in with fish it's own size. Very quickly, there were no other fish. I moved this fish into a tank with a 6" Jack Dempsey and a 6" Green Terror. Within two weeks, both were almost dead. I had only one alternative; put the Jewel in my big tank with my two 1' Oscars and a 1' African snake head. My concerns were; could I bring the Dempsey and Terror back to health and what would happen to the Jewel in with such big fish.
The Dempsey died the next day. The Terror recovered and is doing well. Now for the Jewel:
As soon as I put the Jewel in the tank, the other fish went to attack it. The snake head saw prey about the same size as the gold fish it was used to. It charged the Jewel and then stopped in its tracks when it Jewel didn't run. Instead, the Jewel raised it's fins (all 3"'s of it) and then turned on the snake head. I also put a "cave" in the tank that I thought was too small for the bigger fish to enter. The Jewel quickly found it and took cover. Over the period of 3 weeks, the Jewel went from hiding in the cave to darting out to get scraps as the others ate, to going after the food as aggressive as the others, to freely swimming the entire tank trying to intimidate the much larger fish. Within a month, no fish in that tank went near it. Although the fish in the tank went at each other, none of them attacked the Jewel. The Jewel had battle with them and although it got pushed back constantly, it kept going at them until the bigger fish fled.
I don't recommend putting a Jewel in with these fish, but I was amazed to see how it bullied much bigger fish. Especially since when I first put it in the tank it was just looking to hide and afraid of the much larger fish. In the end, the Terror went into the big tank and the Jewel has the smaller tank to its self. The other Cichlids are lucky that this beautiful little fish don't come in a 1' size. If they did, I would not put Dovii and Red Devils in the tank with it, they would be killed.
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